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Future Sports with Vic Braden

In this episode of Future Sports, host Vic Braden introduces viewers to the world of sports research and biomechanics. The show is filmed at the Cota Research Center, a world-renowned sports research facility located in Cota da Cosa, one hour south of Los Angeles. The director of the center, Dr. Gideon Ariel, is a leading expert in biomechanics.

The episode features an in-depth look at the science behind sports, with a focus on football and discus throwing. The show's guests include Rolf Vinerska, a place kicker for the San Diego Chargers, and Al Order, a 45-year-old discus thrower preparing for the 1984 Olympics.

Through biomechanical analysis, the show demonstrates how science can help athletes improve their performance. For example, Vinerska learns how a firm plant with his non-kicking leg can increase his kicking distance. Order, on the other hand, discusses how computer analysis has helped him understand and improve his throwing technique.

The episode also explores the future of sports, with discussions on the potential use of computers and holography in training and performance analysis. However, both Braden and his guests emphasize the importance of maintaining a balance between science and the art of sports, cautioning against invasive methods such as implanting chips in athletes' bodies.

Future episodes of Future Sports promise to feature more exciting sports information, including segments on the U.S. women's Olympic volleyball team, triathlon superstar Scott Tinley, and former heavyweight boxer Ken Norton, among others.

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0. 00:00 Thanks, Steve, I appreciate it, buddy. It's a lot of fun. Hi, I'm Vic Braden. You probably
1. 00:13 know me from tennis, but the fact is I've been involved in sports research and other
2. 00:17 sports for a long, long time. I think I'm going to get a chance to show you a side of
3. 00:21 me that you have not seen before. But what's really fun for me is I'm going to get a chance
4. 00:25 to show you a side of sport that I don't think you have ever seen before. So, welcome to
5. 00:31 my home and welcome to Future Sports. We're at beautiful Cota da Cosa, located one hour
6. 00:38 south of Los Angeles in the beautiful Saddleback Mountains. Cota da Cosa is the site of the
7. 00:43 Cota Research Center, founded in 1976 and completed in 1980. The director of the Cota
8. 00:50 Research Center is Dr. Gideon Ariel, recognized as the world leader in biomechanics. The world's
9. 00:57 top athletes assemble on a regular basis at the Center for Quick Checkup on Dr. Ariel's
10. 01:02 amazing computer, which carefully identifies each athlete's movements and quantifies all
11. 01:07 forces. Sounds complicated, but Dr. Ariel has made it simple and practical. On future
12. 01:13 sport, we'll take a look at athletes representing the complete spectrum of sport.
13. 01:20 On today's edition of Future Sport, you'll learn the place-taking secret to San Diego
14. 01:49 Chargers, Rolf Vinerska, the man with the best place-taking percentage in the NFL. And
15. 01:56 we'll meet the ageless Al Order, the man at 45 years of age who's preparing for the 1984
16. 02:02 Olympics. All today on Future Sport, a celebration of the athlete, the mind, and technology.
17. 02:19 Welcome back to Future Sport. Professional football, the most popular sport in America.
18. 02:37 Running backs and quarterbacks get the headlines, but the one player who always seems to be there
19. 02:52 when the big game's on the line, the place kicker. On his foot often rides a difference
20. 02:58 between victory or defeat. Hello, everybody. You know we have tremendous athletes come to future
21. 03:08 sport, and we are tickled to death to get the big names. Rolf Vinerska of the San Diego Chargers,
22. 03:12 the place kicker deluxe. Rolf, delighted to have you with us. It's fun to come up here, Vic, and see
23. 03:17 how this all works. Got a lot of questions to ask you, coach. We want to know how scientific is
24. 03:22 football getting now? I think it's getting real scientific. It starts with the scouting of players
25. 03:27 in college. There are very few players, no matter what school you go to, no matter how small, that
26. 03:33 can get by the pro scouts and the science that they use in grading those athletes. It gets carried
27. 03:38 over to game preparation, studying other teams' defenses, offenses, tendencies, and I think it
28. 03:45 probably gets into evaluating players when players are picked to make a team. Well, we're going to
29. 03:50 get into an awful lot of the scientific aspect of sport. Right now, I want to know how much does the
30. 03:54 mental part play in this game? It applies to how you handle the ups and downs, and as a kicker that
31. 03:59 has faced situations where you've missed critical kicks and know that you have to come back and may
32. 04:04 get another chance in the same game to redeem yourself, you have to be able to keep your head
33. 04:08 mentally in it. Rolf, is soccer style kicking then the wave of the future? If you look in the pros,
34. 04:14 it's a clear trend away from the conventional style kicking, and we're gonna talk about some
35. 04:20 of the reasons later, but I think visually, without looking at the mechanics of it,
36. 04:24 you can say that a conventional style kicker has a smaller area on his toe to kick it. If the ball
37. 04:29 is poorly placed, he has less of a chance to adapt. I personally think that you don't get as
38. 04:36 many joints involved, and so you can't generate the foot head speed, and therefore can't kick it
39. 04:40 as far as a soccer style kicker, so I think there are reasons why the soccer style kickers have
40. 04:44 evolved in the NFL. You know what's so nice about science? We can tell. Harvard University's
41. 04:50 place kicker Joe Abbot was a recent visitor to the Kota Research Center. His problem was classic
42. 04:54 among place kickers of all levels. How to increase distance without losing accuracy. So we took Joe
43. 05:01 through a complete program of biomechanical training, and after extensive work with computers,
44. 05:06 force plate analysis, and so on, it was clearly demonstrated that one key to kicking improvement
45. 05:11 is a firm plant or stop with a non-kicking leg, and we're gonna do the same thing to you, Rolf.
46. 05:19 Earlier this week, we did some biomechanical analysis of Rolf, and now he's gonna get a
47. 05:25 chance to see what he really looks like when he just used his skeleton. I hope this doesn't prove
48. 05:30 that I should never have gotten past high school football. Let's take a look. By photographing
49. 05:35 several of Rolf's kicks on high-speed film from 100 frames a second, sometimes up to 10,000 frames
50. 05:41 a second, and then analyzing that film with computers, we were able to diagnose Rolf's
51. 05:46 kicking motion. Dr. Ariel explains the process of digitization. This little pen is the key to
52. 05:53 digitizing. Every time you touch with this pen, this sensitive screen, the information going right
53. 06:01 to the computer. With us here is Dr. Ann Penny. She is going to digitize Rolf in his kicking
54. 06:08 process. Every time she touching the digitizer, the information on location of this point is going
55. 06:14 directly to our computer. Our computer can do all the calculation to find out how much the segments
56. 06:21 move, how fast they move, how they accelerate or decelerate, how much energy was lost or was gained,
57. 06:28 all the information that Future Sport athletic will use in order to increase performance in the
58. 06:35 future. What we see here is Rolf making an advance forward and abruptly stop with the non-kicking
59. 06:42 leg. This abrupt stop actually transfer energy to the kicking leg and by that enabling Rolf to kick
60. 06:50 farther. The objectives of the kicker is running forward, utilize this energy and abruptly stop the
61. 06:58 leg so we can transfer the energy to the kicking leg. Let's look on it in a multiple image. Here
62. 07:04 you see the non-kicking leg moving but at that point it abruptly stop and that's what make the
63. 07:10 other leg snap into the ball. So Vic, the key to kicking is the non-kicking leg. You know Rolf,
64. 07:18 it's amazing to me when you see that biomechanical analysis to find out how important the left leg
65. 07:23 is even if you're a right-footed kicker. You know you're right, I always knew it was important and I
66. 07:27 knew that if it was a wet grass field that I would have a hard time kicking but now I really understand
67. 07:32 why. You know talking about a wet field if you're slipping you're in deep trouble because again
68. 07:37 earlier this week we were able to measure all the forces that you transmit through the ground. Let's
69. 07:42 take a look at what we found out on the force plate. Okay. And while Gideon was inside on the
70. 07:47 monitor checking things out we had you on the force plate trying to discover how many forces
71. 07:52 you could transmit through the ground. Let's take a look at what Gideon discovered. As you can see Vic,
72. 07:58 Rolf generated a tremendous amount of force with the non-kicking leg. He transferred over 500 pounds
73. 08:05 of force more than two and a half times his body weight from his left foot to the right. The average
74. 08:11 kicker would transfer maybe 300 pounds or a little bit more than that. The amazing phenomena about
75. 08:19 Rolf that is very consistent is like a signature. Anybody that tried to sign his name always it
76. 08:26 looks the same. With Rolf every time he kicking the ball it looks exactly the same. He's within
77. 08:32 1% of the previous kick and that's what makes a great kicker. You skinny little runt that's
78. 08:40 amazing to me. I mean 500 and some pounds on the left foot that's amazing. You know what's amazing
79. 08:45 to me is that it's the left foot not the right and the fact that I could kick it just about as
80. 08:50 far if I didn't have big muscles on my right leg. Yeah it's just so the mass is the same absolutely.
81. 08:56 But you know something computers you said it before garbage in garbage out they don't measure
82. 09:01 motivation don't measure anything. Let's take a hypothetical situation. Monday night football
83. 09:05 Howard Cosell at the mic. You got 50 million people around the country watching the doggone
84. 09:11 ballgame. You're down to about two seconds left this kick you win or lose baby and you got those
85. 09:15 guys coming at you each guy wants to eat you alive. 330 pounds now what does biomechanics do
86. 09:20 for you? I guarantee you don't start thinking about force vectors and that sort of thing. What
87. 09:25 you really do is I think you visualize the kick on the sidelines I know you're big into that I
88. 09:29 spend a lot of time on the sidelines thinking about it but when you get on the field it becomes
89. 09:34 real physical you look for a good spot you want to have a good plant spot you want to maybe have
90. 09:38 a little higher area for them to put the ball on and then you just kick it you try to free your
91. 09:43 mind up you don't want your mind to control your body and you just go out there and kick it the
92. 09:47 minute you start to try to guide the ball with your mind the minute you can start to miss. Have
93. 09:52 you ever missed? Once or twice but you know I'm just happy to be doing this again because there
94. 09:56 was a while a couple of years ago when when playing football was never in my future. Rolf
95. 10:01 Panerska three years ago nearly died of Crohn's disease now an NFL star. From football legs to
96. 10:10 Olympic legs these belong to perhaps the greatest Olympian in history.
97. 10:22 Welcome back to beautiful Coto de Caza. With us now on Future Sport the man who really made
98. 10:35 history with the discus and still setting the pace Al Order 45 year old discus genius who still
99. 10:42 is a threat to everybody in the world and Dr. Gideon Ariel. Al delighted to have you on the show
100. 10:46 obviously but why is a guy 45 years old throwing the discus and why are you still beating most of
101. 10:51 the people in the world? I've yet to figure that out but I enjoy it. I've always had a philosophy
102. 10:59 that you don't have to go out and win everything as long as you enjoy it and you work hard you
103. 11:03 know the capability evolves and that normally takes care of the winning kind of thing. I
104. 11:07 absolutely enjoy throwing I'm going to be throwing for another 25 years. Gideon 45 years of age I've
105. 11:13 alluded to that and yet a couple years ago he had a combination of three of the best throws. Are we
106. 11:18 beginning to shrink chronological and biological age are we beginning to expand the difference? Our
107. 11:23 body going by our genetic capabilities and apparently at the age of 45 you don't have to
108. 11:29 say I'm old man as far as I'm concerned Al right now is probably 25 26 years old biologically what
109. 11:36 chronologically that's that's for the birds. Did you know about Al before you started throwing? Al was my idol in
110. 11:43 fact in the kibbutz in Israel I had his picture above my bed every morning I would I would
111. 11:48 worship I mean thousands years ago they would kill me they would say that I I worship idols
112. 11:54 you know but he was my idol for many many years from 1955. All right Al it's time for you. That's a long time ago. That's right you're getting older you're getting younger Al you have a
113. 12:05 scientific interest where'd that come from? Well I've been in computers now for oh 20 21 years or
114. 12:11 something like that and when I started back into competition I have an eight I had an eight year
115. 12:15 layoff from 1968 through 76 and when I started back I thought I might as well learn as much as I
116. 12:21 can about the throw and I hooked up with Gideon immediately to find out exactly what I was doing
117. 12:27 wrong. Why not take advantage of all of the innovations that occurred through that eight
118. 12:31 year span and I think the computer analysis of the technique and in my event was absolutely the
119. 12:37 most important thing I could determine for the first time what coaches were trying to tell me I
120. 12:41 could see quantitatively where I was accelerating decelerating all these kinds of things and in
121. 12:46 going through that analysis I was able then to launch into my kind of newfound career okay with
122. 12:51 new enthusiasm and knowing what I was doing. Al to understand the future we have to understand
123. 12:55 the past unfortunately or fortunately you're the past and the present and the future now where are
124. 13:01 we going to go with this game? I think the computer analysis will continue I think we'll get
125. 13:06 into very shortly an area where athletes will be able to almost step inside themselves we'll have
126. 13:13 computers simulating what the perfect throw will be and throwers will be in effect able to enter
127. 13:18 their own image created by film by computers and as they execute the throw if an arm goes out too
128. 13:24 far a head tilts or something there'll be an alarm go off and say you're you're changing. So feedback
129. 13:29 systems and computers are going to be very important you see that Gideon? Well hologram
130. 13:34 is the thing of the future and I tell you I'm learning from Al more than he learned from me
131. 13:38 but he's the head of the game all the time because he really talked about the the future we talking
132. 13:43 about holography now where you will have the ideal model that you actually will see you cannot touch
133. 13:48 it because you see it but you cannot touch it but you can put your body right in it and every time
134. 13:53 you depart from efficiency either you will have some kind of feedback an alarm system or I don't
135. 13:59 know maybe in East Germany they'll give you a 220. There are things that are a little frightening
136. 14:04 about the the entire environment of computer introduction at the sport because computers you
137. 14:09 know ten years ago I couldn't lift computers that you know right now I hold in the palm of my hand
138. 14:13 very easily and why not in the future be able to implant computers within an athlete and through
139. 14:19 telemetry exercise that athlete because the thing that prevents a runner from going very fast is his
140. 14:24 brain and through through telemetry you can override that that that brain feedback that says
141. 14:29 I think I'm going to fast run fatigue you can override that with computer implants that are
142. 14:33 stimulating various muscle groups that's right because then we're into robotics. Well is that
143. 14:39 going to be legal you see a lot of changes taking place in the Olympic rules etc. Oh it's the
144. 14:44 technology is here today certainly there's going to have to be a way of combating it because then
145. 14:48 you'll have coaches up in the stands okay with telemetry little telemetry straight stations
146. 14:52 activating their athletes there obviously has to be a stop to that how you do it is through some
147. 14:56 kind of body scan. Al I hundred percent agree with you because we are here dealing with a balance
148. 15:02 between art and science and when one taking over you have you have a situation which is really a
149. 15:07 non athletics anymore and we should use science to amplify our our mind in a in a way where you
150. 15:15 can perform the best but you should be in a non-invasive method we should never implant
151. 15:19 chips in our body we should never take drugs we should do it as natural as possible to achieve
152. 15:24 our maximum. Sure just enhance the an athlete's capability to exercise more efficiently to be
153. 15:31 more productive in his in his training environment that's what we want. But we should really be alert
154. 15:36 because so many new things are happening sports changing and we're only going to control the
155. 15:41 future by doing something now and if we're not thinking ahead we're gonna be a little bit of
156. 15:46 trouble but anyway Al it's great having you here. Thank you very much. Future sport continues in a
157. 16:03 moment. We've got tons of exciting sports information coming up on Future Sport so let's
158. 16:19 take a quick look at some of the segments you'll see on future edition. We'll visit with the United
159. 16:25 States women's Olympic volleyball team they're looking for 84 gold. From the shores of Hawaii
160. 16:31 you'll meet triathlon superstar Scott Tinley. No one can beat this man in the hurdles and we'll
161. 16:36 find out why. And the cannonball tennis serve of Roscoe Tanner will be coming right at you. Ann
162. 16:44 Meyers the only woman ever drafted by the NBA will be our guest. And speaking of the NBA rookie
163. 16:51 of the year Buck Williams will join us. Along with 1968 Olympic gift Kaplan champion the courageous
164. 16:58 Bill Toomey. You'll meet gymnastic champion Sharon Shapiro. And this man former heavyweight
165. 17:04 boxer Ken Norton. Television sports journalist Charlie Jones hits the golf links and compares
166. 17:09 strokes with the smooth swinging Jerry Pate. We'll also take a special look at superstars
167. 17:15 who aren't quite as famous but just as important. Ryan O'Field's awesome strength will amaze you. And
168. 17:22 you'll meet pole vault great Bob Segrin who dominated television superstars. You'll visit
169. 17:28 with today's youth. And because there can be no future without understanding the past you'll meet
170. 17:34 yesterday's greatest champion. Olympic champion and Future Sports running advisor Frank Shorter
171. 17:41 will be a regular guest. Along with our resident computer expert Dr. Gideon Ariel. He'll present
172. 17:48 the science of sports in a way you have never seen before. We'll be back with a wrap-up of
173. 17:55 this edition of Future Sports right after this. We get a lot of letters people saying how do we
174. 18:07 get that information you guys are pumping out in sports research at Dakota Research Center.
175. 18:11 Finally we get our forum buddy we're gonna get a chance to tell those people and they're gonna
176. 18:15 get a chance to take a shot at us. We are going to tell the story that the American technology is
177. 18:20 the best technology in the world. Best technology in the world and you're gonna get a chance to see
178. 18:25 a heck of a lot of it on later editions of Future Sports. This is Vic Braden for Gideon Ariel saying
179. 18:30 so long.
180. 18:45 The executive producer of Future Sport is Jim Millman produced by Jim Cross.
181. 19:15 you

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Thanks, Steve, I appreciate it, buddy. It's a lot of fun. Hi, I'm Vic Braden. You probably

know me from tennis, but the fact is I've been involved in sports research and other

sports for a long, long time. I think I'm going to get a chance to show you a side of

me that you have not seen before. But what's really fun for me is I'm going to get a chance

to show you a side of sport that I don't think you have ever seen before. So, welcome to

my home and welcome to Future Sports. We're at beautiful Cota da Cosa, located one hour

south of Los Angeles in the beautiful Saddleback Mountains. Cota da Cosa is the site of the

Cota Research Center, founded in 1976 and completed in 1980. The director of the Cota

Research Center is Dr. Gideon Ariel, recognized as the world leader in biomechanics. The world's

top athletes assemble on a regular basis at the Center for Quick Checkup on Dr. Ariel's

amazing computer, which carefully identifies each athlete's movements and quantifies all

forces. Sounds complicated, but Dr. Ariel has made it simple and practical. On future

sport, we'll take a look at athletes representing the complete spectrum of sport.

On today's edition of Future Sport, you'll learn the place-taking secret to San Diego

Chargers, Rolf Vinerska, the man with the best place-taking percentage in the NFL. And

we'll meet the ageless Al Order, the man at 45 years of age who's preparing for the 1984

Olympics. All today on Future Sport, a celebration of the athlete, the mind, and technology.

Welcome back to Future Sport. Professional football, the most popular sport in America.

Running backs and quarterbacks get the headlines, but the one player who always seems to be there

when the big game's on the line, the place kicker. On his foot often rides a difference

between victory or defeat. Hello, everybody. You know we have tremendous athletes come to future

sport, and we are tickled to death to get the big names. Rolf Vinerska of the San Diego Chargers,

the place kicker deluxe. Rolf, delighted to have you with us. It's fun to come up here, Vic, and see

how this all works. Got a lot of questions to ask you, coach. We want to know how scientific is

football getting now? I think it's getting real scientific. It starts with the scouting of players

in college. There are very few players, no matter what school you go to, no matter how small, that

can get by the pro scouts and the science that they use in grading those athletes. It gets carried

over to game preparation, studying other teams' defenses, offenses, tendencies, and I think it

probably gets into evaluating players when players are picked to make a team. Well, we're going to

get into an awful lot of the scientific aspect of sport. Right now, I want to know how much does the

mental part play in this game? It applies to how you handle the ups and downs, and as a kicker that

has faced situations where you've missed critical kicks and know that you have to come back and may

get another chance in the same game to redeem yourself, you have to be able to keep your head

mentally in it. Rolf, is soccer style kicking then the wave of the future? If you look in the pros,

it's a clear trend away from the conventional style kicking, and we're gonna talk about some

of the reasons later, but I think visually, without looking at the mechanics of it,

you can say that a conventional style kicker has a smaller area on his toe to kick it. If the ball

is poorly placed, he has less of a chance to adapt. I personally think that you don't get as

many joints involved, and so you can't generate the foot head speed, and therefore can't kick it

as far as a soccer style kicker, so I think there are reasons why the soccer style kickers have

evolved in the NFL. You know what's so nice about science? We can tell. Harvard University's

place kicker Joe Abbot was a recent visitor to the Kota Research Center. His problem was classic

among place kickers of all levels. How to increase distance without losing accuracy. So we took Joe

through a complete program of biomechanical training, and after extensive work with computers,

force plate analysis, and so on, it was clearly demonstrated that one key to kicking improvement

is a firm plant or stop with a non-kicking leg, and we're gonna do the same thing to you, Rolf.

Earlier this week, we did some biomechanical analysis of Rolf, and now he's gonna get a

chance to see what he really looks like when he just used his skeleton. I hope this doesn't prove

that I should never have gotten past high school football. Let's take a look. By photographing

several of Rolf's kicks on high-speed film from 100 frames a second, sometimes up to 10,000 frames

a second, and then analyzing that film with computers, we were able to diagnose Rolf's

kicking motion. Dr. Ariel explains the process of digitization. This little pen is the key to

digitizing. Every time you touch with this pen, this sensitive screen, the information going right

to the computer. With us here is Dr. Ann Penny. She is going to digitize Rolf in his kicking

process. Every time she touching the digitizer, the information on location of this point is going

directly to our computer. Our computer can do all the calculation to find out how much the segments

move, how fast they move, how they accelerate or decelerate, how much energy was lost or was gained,

all the information that Future Sport athletic will use in order to increase performance in the

future. What we see here is Rolf making an advance forward and abruptly stop with the non-kicking

leg. This abrupt stop actually transfer energy to the kicking leg and by that enabling Rolf to kick

farther. The objectives of the kicker is running forward, utilize this energy and abruptly stop the

leg so we can transfer the energy to the kicking leg. Let's look on it in a multiple image. Here

you see the non-kicking leg moving but at that point it abruptly stop and that's what make the

other leg snap into the ball. So Vic, the key to kicking is the non-kicking leg. You know Rolf,

it's amazing to me when you see that biomechanical analysis to find out how important the left leg

is even if you're a right-footed kicker. You know you're right, I always knew it was important and I

knew that if it was a wet grass field that I would have a hard time kicking but now I really understand

why. You know talking about a wet field if you're slipping you're in deep trouble because again

earlier this week we were able to measure all the forces that you transmit through the ground. Let's

take a look at what we found out on the force plate. Okay. And while Gideon was inside on the

monitor checking things out we had you on the force plate trying to discover how many forces

you could transmit through the ground. Let's take a look at what Gideon discovered. As you can see Vic,

Rolf generated a tremendous amount of force with the non-kicking leg. He transferred over 500 pounds

of force more than two and a half times his body weight from his left foot to the right. The average

kicker would transfer maybe 300 pounds or a little bit more than that. The amazing phenomena about

Rolf that is very consistent is like a signature. Anybody that tried to sign his name always it

looks the same. With Rolf every time he kicking the ball it looks exactly the same. He's within

1% of the previous kick and that's what makes a great kicker. You skinny little runt that's

amazing to me. I mean 500 and some pounds on the left foot that's amazing. You know what's amazing

to me is that it's the left foot not the right and the fact that I could kick it just about as

far if I didn't have big muscles on my right leg. Yeah it's just so the mass is the same absolutely.

But you know something computers you said it before garbage in garbage out they don't measure

motivation don't measure anything. Let's take a hypothetical situation. Monday night football

Howard Cosell at the mic. You got 50 million people around the country watching the doggone

ballgame. You're down to about two seconds left this kick you win or lose baby and you got those

guys coming at you each guy wants to eat you alive. 330 pounds now what does biomechanics do

for you? I guarantee you don't start thinking about force vectors and that sort of thing. What

you really do is I think you visualize the kick on the sidelines I know you're big into that I

spend a lot of time on the sidelines thinking about it but when you get on the field it becomes

real physical you look for a good spot you want to have a good plant spot you want to maybe have

a little higher area for them to put the ball on and then you just kick it you try to free your

mind up you don't want your mind to control your body and you just go out there and kick it the

minute you start to try to guide the ball with your mind the minute you can start to miss. Have

you ever missed? Once or twice but you know I'm just happy to be doing this again because there

was a while a couple of years ago when when playing football was never in my future. Rolf

Panerska three years ago nearly died of Crohn's disease now an NFL star. From football legs to

Olympic legs these belong to perhaps the greatest Olympian in history.

Welcome back to beautiful Coto de Caza. With us now on Future Sport the man who really made

history with the discus and still setting the pace Al Order 45 year old discus genius who still

is a threat to everybody in the world and Dr. Gideon Ariel. Al delighted to have you on the show

obviously but why is a guy 45 years old throwing the discus and why are you still beating most of

the people in the world? I've yet to figure that out but I enjoy it. I've always had a philosophy

that you don't have to go out and win everything as long as you enjoy it and you work hard you

know the capability evolves and that normally takes care of the winning kind of thing. I

absolutely enjoy throwing I'm going to be throwing for another 25 years. Gideon 45 years of age I've

alluded to that and yet a couple years ago he had a combination of three of the best throws. Are we

beginning to shrink chronological and biological age are we beginning to expand the difference? Our

body going by our genetic capabilities and apparently at the age of 45 you don't have to

say I'm old man as far as I'm concerned Al right now is probably 25 26 years old biologically what

chronologically that's that's for the birds. Did you know about Al before you started throwing? Al was my idol in

fact in the kibbutz in Israel I had his picture above my bed every morning I would I would

worship I mean thousands years ago they would kill me they would say that I I worship idols

you know but he was my idol for many many years from 1955. All right Al it's time for you. That's a long time ago. That's right you're getting older you're getting younger Al you have a

scientific interest where'd that come from? Well I've been in computers now for oh 20 21 years or

something like that and when I started back into competition I have an eight I had an eight year

layoff from 1968 through 76 and when I started back I thought I might as well learn as much as I

can about the throw and I hooked up with Gideon immediately to find out exactly what I was doing

wrong. Why not take advantage of all of the innovations that occurred through that eight

year span and I think the computer analysis of the technique and in my event was absolutely the

most important thing I could determine for the first time what coaches were trying to tell me I

could see quantitatively where I was accelerating decelerating all these kinds of things and in

going through that analysis I was able then to launch into my kind of newfound career okay with

new enthusiasm and knowing what I was doing. Al to understand the future we have to understand

the past unfortunately or fortunately you're the past and the present and the future now where are

we going to go with this game? I think the computer analysis will continue I think we'll get

into very shortly an area where athletes will be able to almost step inside themselves we'll have

computers simulating what the perfect throw will be and throwers will be in effect able to enter

their own image created by film by computers and as they execute the throw if an arm goes out too

far a head tilts or something there'll be an alarm go off and say you're you're changing. So feedback

systems and computers are going to be very important you see that Gideon? Well hologram

is the thing of the future and I tell you I'm learning from Al more than he learned from me

but he's the head of the game all the time because he really talked about the the future we talking

about holography now where you will have the ideal model that you actually will see you cannot touch

it because you see it but you cannot touch it but you can put your body right in it and every time

you depart from efficiency either you will have some kind of feedback an alarm system or I don't

know maybe in East Germany they'll give you a 220. There are things that are a little frightening

about the the entire environment of computer introduction at the sport because computers you

know ten years ago I couldn't lift computers that you know right now I hold in the palm of my hand

very easily and why not in the future be able to implant computers within an athlete and through

telemetry exercise that athlete because the thing that prevents a runner from going very fast is his

brain and through through telemetry you can override that that that brain feedback that says

I think I'm going to fast run fatigue you can override that with computer implants that are

stimulating various muscle groups that's right because then we're into robotics. Well is that

going to be legal you see a lot of changes taking place in the Olympic rules etc. Oh it's the

technology is here today certainly there's going to have to be a way of combating it because then

you'll have coaches up in the stands okay with telemetry little telemetry straight stations

activating their athletes there obviously has to be a stop to that how you do it is through some

kind of body scan. Al I hundred percent agree with you because we are here dealing with a balance

between art and science and when one taking over you have you have a situation which is really a

non athletics anymore and we should use science to amplify our our mind in a in a way where you

can perform the best but you should be in a non-invasive method we should never implant

chips in our body we should never take drugs we should do it as natural as possible to achieve

our maximum. Sure just enhance the an athlete's capability to exercise more efficiently to be

more productive in his in his training environment that's what we want. But we should really be alert

because so many new things are happening sports changing and we're only going to control the

future by doing something now and if we're not thinking ahead we're gonna be a little bit of

trouble but anyway Al it's great having you here. Thank you very much. Future sport continues in a

moment. We've got tons of exciting sports information coming up on Future Sport so let's

take a quick look at some of the segments you'll see on future edition. We'll visit with the United

States women's Olympic volleyball team they're looking for 84 gold. From the shores of Hawaii

you'll meet triathlon superstar Scott Tinley. No one can beat this man in the hurdles and we'll

find out why. And the cannonball tennis serve of Roscoe Tanner will be coming right at you. Ann

Meyers the only woman ever drafted by the NBA will be our guest. And speaking of the NBA rookie

of the year Buck Williams will join us. Along with 1968 Olympic gift Kaplan champion the courageous

Bill Toomey. You'll meet gymnastic champion Sharon Shapiro. And this man former heavyweight

boxer Ken Norton. Television sports journalist Charlie Jones hits the golf links and compares

strokes with the smooth swinging Jerry Pate. We'll also take a special look at superstars

who aren't quite as famous but just as important. Ryan O'Field's awesome strength will amaze you. And

you'll meet pole vault great Bob Segrin who dominated television superstars. You'll visit

with today's youth. And because there can be no future without understanding the past you'll meet

yesterday's greatest champion. Olympic champion and Future Sports running advisor Frank Shorter

will be a regular guest. Along with our resident computer expert Dr. Gideon Ariel. He'll present

the science of sports in a way you have never seen before. We'll be back with a wrap-up of

this edition of Future Sports right after this. We get a lot of letters people saying how do we

get that information you guys are pumping out in sports research at Dakota Research Center.

Finally we get our forum buddy we're gonna get a chance to tell those people and they're gonna

get a chance to take a shot at us. We are going to tell the story that the American technology is

the best technology in the world. Best technology in the world and you're gonna get a chance to see

a heck of a lot of it on later editions of Future Sports. This is Vic Braden for Gideon Ariel saying

so long.

The executive producer of Future Sport is Jim Millman produced by Jim Cross.

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