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Future Sports with Al Order

Al Order, a 45-year-old discus genius, discusses his career and the future of sports technology on Future Sports. Order, who has been in computers for 22 years, believes that the development of sophisticated computer chips will lead to a large introduction of technology in sports.

Order, who took an eight-year break from competition, used computer analysis to improve his technique upon his return. He believes that computer analysis will continue to play a significant role in sports, with athletes being able to step inside simulations of their performances to perfect their techniques.

Order and Dr. Gideon Ariel discuss the potential for holography in sports, where athletes could see an ideal model of their performance and adjust their movements accordingly. They also discuss the potential for computer implants in athletes to override brain feedback and stimulate muscles, although they agree that this could lead to a loss of the art of athletics.

Order believes that technology should be used to enhance an athlete's capability to train more efficiently, but should not be invasive or involve drugs. During the show, it is revealed that Order's training throw would have traveled approximately 244 feet, further than the world record. Order is predicted to be ready for Olympic gold in 1984.

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0. 00:00 With all eggs to Olympic legs, these belong to perhaps the greatest Olympian in history.
1. 00:15 My name is Al Order.
2. 00:16 I've been in computers for about 22 years now, and I think I've always realized that there would be the potential for the computer in athletics.
3. 00:24 We've gone through micro computers and many computers, and now that we're developing computer chips with sophisticated computing capabilities,
4. 00:32 we're going to see a large introduction in the sport.
5. 00:35 Welcome to Future Sports.
6. 00:38 With us now on Future Sports, a man who really made history with a discus and still setting the pace.
7. 00:44 Al Order, 45-year-old discus genius who still is a threat to everybody in the world.
8. 00:49 And Dr. Gideon Ariel.
9. 00:51 I'm delighted to have you on the show, obviously, but why is a guy 45 years old throwing a discus and why you're still beating most of the people in the world?
10. 00:59 I've yet to figure that out, but I enjoy it.
11. 01:03 I've always had a philosophy that you don't have to go out and win everything.
12. 01:07 As long as you enjoy it and you work hard, you know, the capability evolves, and that normally takes care of the winning kind of thing.
13. 01:13 I absolutely enjoy throwing. I'm going to be throwing for another 25 years.
14. 01:17 Gideon, 45 years of age, I've alluded to that.
15. 01:20 And yet, a couple of years ago, we had a combination of three of the best throws.
16. 01:24 Are we beginning to shrink chronological and biological age, or are we beginning to expand the difference?
17. 01:29 Our body going by our genetic capability.
18. 01:32 And apparently, at the age of 45, you don't have to say, I'm old man.
19. 01:36 That's why I'm concerned.
20. 01:38 All right now, it's probably 25, 26 years old, biologically.
21. 01:42 What kind of logically? That's for the birds.
22. 01:45 Did you know about Al before you started going by?
23. 01:48 Al was my idol. In fact, in the kibbutin, I had his picture above my bed every morning.
24. 01:54 I would worship. I mean, thousands years ago, they would kill me.
25. 01:58 They would say that I worship idols.
26. 02:00 He was my idol for many, many years, from 1955.
27. 02:04 All right, Al, it's time for you.
28. 02:06 That's a long time ago.
29. 02:08 You're getting older, you're getting younger.
30. 02:10 Al, you have a scientific interest. Where'd that come from?
31. 02:14 Well, I've been in computers now for whole 20, 21 years or something like that.
32. 02:18 When I started back into competition, I had an eight-year lay-off from 1968 through 76.
33. 02:24 And when I started back, I thought it might as well learn as much as I can about the throw.
34. 02:28 And I hooked up with Gideon immediately to find out exactly what I was doing wrong.
35. 02:33 Why not take advantage of all of the innovations that occurred through that eight-year span?
36. 02:38 And I think the computer analysis of the technique in my event was absolutely the most important thing.
37. 02:43 I could determine, for the first time, what coaches were trying to tell me.
38. 02:47 I could see quantitatively where I was accelerating, decelerating, all these kinds of things.
39. 02:51 And then going through that analysis, I was able then to launch into my kind of newfound career,
40. 02:56 with new enthusiasm and knowing what I was doing.
41. 02:59 Al, to understand the future, we have to understand the past.
42. 03:02 Unfortunately or fortunately, you're the past and the present and the future.
43. 03:06 Now, where are we going to go with this game?
44. 03:09 I think the computer analysis will continue.
45. 03:12 I think we'll get into very shortly an area where athletes will be able to almost step inside themselves.
46. 03:19 We'll have computers simulating what the perfect throw will be.
47. 03:22 And throwers will be, in effect, able to enter their own image created by film, by computers.
48. 03:28 And as they execute the throw, if an arm goes out too far, a head tilts to something,
49. 03:32 there'll be an alarm go off to say you're changing.
50. 03:35 So feedback systems and computers are going to be very important.
51. 03:38 You see that getting?
52. 03:39 Well, hologram is the thing of the future.
53. 03:41 And I tell you, I'm learning from Mal, more than he learned from me,
54. 03:44 but he's the head of the game all the time because he really talked about the future.
55. 03:48 We're talking about holography now, where you will have the ideal model that you actually will see.
56. 03:53 You cannot touch it because you see it, but you cannot touch it.
57. 03:56 But you can put your body right in it.
58. 03:58 And every time you depart from efficiency, either you will have some kind of feedback in alarm system
59. 04:04 or I don't know, maybe in Germany they'll give you a 220.
60. 04:07 I know, there are things that are a little frightening about the entire environment
61. 04:12 of computer introduction at the sport because computers, you know, ten years ago,
62. 04:16 I couldn't lift computers that, you know, night now I hold in the palm of my hand very easily.
63. 04:20 And why not in the future be able to implant computers within an athlete?
64. 04:25 And through telemetry, exercise that athlete because the thing that prevents a runner from going very fast is his brain.
65. 04:31 And through telemetry, you can override that brain feedback that says,
66. 04:36 I think I'm going too fast wrong to see.
67. 04:38 You can override that with computer implants that are stimulating various muscles.
68. 04:41 That's frightening because then we're into robotics.
69. 04:44 Well, is that going to be legal? You see a lot of changes taking place in the Olympic rules, et cetera.
70. 04:49 Oh, the technology is here today.
71. 04:52 Certainly there's going to have to be a way of combating it because then you'll have coaches up in the stands
72. 04:56 to communicate with telemetry straight stations activating their athletes.
73. 05:00 There obviously has to be a stop for that.
74. 05:02 How you do it is through some kind of body scan.
75. 05:04 I 100% agree with you because we are here dealing with a balance between art and science.
76. 05:09 And when one taking over, you have a situation which is really a non-athletics anymore.
77. 05:15 We should use science to amplify our mind in a way where you can perform the best,
78. 05:23 but it should be the non-invasive matters.
79. 05:25 We should never implant chips in our bed.
80. 05:27 But we should never take drugs.
81. 05:29 We should do it as natural as possible to achieve our maximum.
82. 05:32 Just enhance an athlete's capability to exercise more efficiently,
83. 05:37 to be more productive in his training environment. That's what we want.
84. 05:41 On an earlier show, Al Order was here. He was our guest and he had an unusual training throw.
85. 05:45 Get in. What can you tell us about it?
86. 05:47 Vic, while we were setting up our Kamalas during our visit,
87. 05:51 he unloaded these tools during training.
88. 05:54 Although the troll landed on a hill, we were able to calculate
89. 05:59 that the tools would have travel approximately 244 feet.
90. 06:04 That's farther than the world record, 244 feet.
91. 06:08 This guy is going to be 47 years old in 1984.
92. 06:13 That's the year of the Olympics.
93. 06:15 So look at the distance source. Al Order is ready for Olympic gold.

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With all eggs to Olympic legs, these belong to perhaps the greatest Olympian in history.

My name is Al Order.

I've been in computers for about 22 years now, and I think I've always realized that there would be the potential for the computer in athletics.

We've gone through micro computers and many computers, and now that we're developing computer chips with sophisticated computing capabilities,

we're going to see a large introduction in the sport.

Welcome to Future Sports.

With us now on Future Sports, a man who really made history with a discus and still setting the pace.

Al Order, 45-year-old discus genius who still is a threat to everybody in the world.

And Dr. Gideon Ariel.

I'm delighted to have you on the show, obviously, but why is a guy 45 years old throwing a discus and why you're still beating most of the people in the world?

I've yet to figure that out, but I enjoy it.

I've always had a philosophy that you don't have to go out and win everything.

As long as you enjoy it and you work hard, you know, the capability evolves, and that normally takes care of the winning kind of thing.

I absolutely enjoy throwing. I'm going to be throwing for another 25 years.

Gideon, 45 years of age, I've alluded to that.

And yet, a couple of years ago, we had a combination of three of the best throws.

Are we beginning to shrink chronological and biological age, or are we beginning to expand the difference?

Our body going by our genetic capability.

And apparently, at the age of 45, you don't have to say, I'm old man.

That's why I'm concerned.

All right now, it's probably 25, 26 years old, biologically.

What kind of logically? That's for the birds.

Did you know about Al before you started going by?

Al was my idol. In fact, in the kibbutin, I had his picture above my bed every morning.

I would worship. I mean, thousands years ago, they would kill me.

They would say that I worship idols.

He was my idol for many, many years, from 1955.

All right, Al, it's time for you.

That's a long time ago.

You're getting older, you're getting younger.

Al, you have a scientific interest. Where'd that come from?

Well, I've been in computers now for whole 20, 21 years or something like that.

When I started back into competition, I had an eight-year lay-off from 1968 through 76.

And when I started back, I thought it might as well learn as much as I can about the throw.

And I hooked up with Gideon immediately to find out exactly what I was doing wrong.

Why not take advantage of all of the innovations that occurred through that eight-year span?

And I think the computer analysis of the technique in my event was absolutely the most important thing.

I could determine, for the first time, what coaches were trying to tell me.

I could see quantitatively where I was accelerating, decelerating, all these kinds of things.

And then going through that analysis, I was able then to launch into my kind of newfound career,

with new enthusiasm and knowing what I was doing.

Al, to understand the future, we have to understand the past.

Unfortunately or fortunately, you're the past and the present and the future.

Now, where are we going to go with this game?

I think the computer analysis will continue.

I think we'll get into very shortly an area where athletes will be able to almost step inside themselves.

We'll have computers simulating what the perfect throw will be.

And throwers will be, in effect, able to enter their own image created by film, by computers.

And as they execute the throw, if an arm goes out too far, a head tilts to something,

there'll be an alarm go off to say you're changing.

So feedback systems and computers are going to be very important.

You see that getting?

Well, hologram is the thing of the future.

And I tell you, I'm learning from Mal, more than he learned from me,

but he's the head of the game all the time because he really talked about the future.

We're talking about holography now, where you will have the ideal model that you actually will see.

You cannot touch it because you see it, but you cannot touch it.

But you can put your body right in it.

And every time you depart from efficiency, either you will have some kind of feedback in alarm system

or I don't know, maybe in Germany they'll give you a 220.

I know, there are things that are a little frightening about the entire environment

of computer introduction at the sport because computers, you know, ten years ago,

I couldn't lift computers that, you know, night now I hold in the palm of my hand very easily.

And why not in the future be able to implant computers within an athlete?

And through telemetry, exercise that athlete because the thing that prevents a runner from going very fast is his brain.

And through telemetry, you can override that brain feedback that says,

I think I'm going too fast wrong to see.

You can override that with computer implants that are stimulating various muscles.

That's frightening because then we're into robotics.

Well, is that going to be legal? You see a lot of changes taking place in the Olympic rules, et cetera.

Oh, the technology is here today.

Certainly there's going to have to be a way of combating it because then you'll have coaches up in the stands

to communicate with telemetry straight stations activating their athletes.

There obviously has to be a stop for that.

How you do it is through some kind of body scan.

I 100% agree with you because we are here dealing with a balance between art and science.

And when one taking over, you have a situation which is really a non-athletics anymore.

We should use science to amplify our mind in a way where you can perform the best,

but it should be the non-invasive matters.

We should never implant chips in our bed.

But we should never take drugs.

We should do it as natural as possible to achieve our maximum.

Just enhance an athlete's capability to exercise more efficiently,

to be more productive in his training environment. That's what we want.

On an earlier show, Al Order was here. He was our guest and he had an unusual training throw.

Get in. What can you tell us about it?

Vic, while we were setting up our Kamalas during our visit,

he unloaded these tools during training.

Although the troll landed on a hill, we were able to calculate

that the tools would have travel approximately 244 feet.

That's farther than the world record, 244 feet.

This guy is going to be 47 years old in 1984.

That's the year of the Olympics.

So look at the distance source. Al Order is ready for Olympic gold.

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